tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878781244953948813.post6430273308351656424..comments2023-09-22T20:53:43.819-07:00Comments on How Business Happens: What If Your Posse Showed Up Just Then?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878781244953948813.post-59491496333822429452016-03-28T18:26:38.671-07:002016-03-28T18:26:38.671-07:00In a utopian society there would be no need for po...In a utopian society there would be no need for police however time and time again utopian experiments have failed miserably.<br /><br />***Straw man argument.***<br /><br /> Police are needed to keep law and order and to protect and serve a particular society. <br /><br />*** Yes, Robert Peel expressly created the first police to protect the newly emerging rich from the newly emerging poor, as it is to this day. ***<br /><br />For example they are the first-responders when islamic terrorists take over a public place <br /><br />*** You ignore Lot’s meta-studies how private citizen intervention results in far fewer deaths and shorter duration for mass killing and terror events. Three lads on a train stopped a terrorist with an AK 47. Not to mention most terrorst are trained, funded and armed in some way by western intel orgs.***<br /><br />or there is a violent domestic dispute where somebody's life is in danger. <br /><br />***Police performance is not very good in DV cases. I had a conversation with a volunteer fire fighter from Connecticut (and there is another thing we do not need, paid fire fighters) who noted the county sheriff who patrols his town calls the VFD when there is DV, since the VFD knows everyone. A ax-wielding outraged husbad was talked down, etc. keep police out of DV.***<br /><br />Could I really count on my neighborhood vigilante posse to objectively handle these matters? <br /><br />***Yes. Can you really count on police?***<br /><br />Where I live (a city of 600,000 people) everyone is so self-absorbed that they would run for the hills at the first sign of trouble (or run to the scene to take a selfie). <br /><br />***How do you know this? False authority.***<br /><br />We know that even long ago there was crime as evidenced by "Otzi" the ice man that was murdered over 5200 years ago and discovered in 1991 frozen in a glacier (http://www.radiolab.org/story/ice-cold-case/). <br /><br />***How do you know he was not the perp, and got what was coming? What makes you think cops would have helped him any more than the countless victims today?***<br /><br />I agree with you on many things John however to abolish law enforcement would be disastrous. The movie "Escape from New York" comes to mind. <br /><br />**** Your evidence is Kurt Russell’s worst movie?***<br /><br />If anything the mere presence of police serves as a deterrent to many would-be criminals <br /><br />***Prove it...***<br /><br />and that is something that brick and mortar small businesses are grateful for.<br /><br />*** I am grateful for the post office, since it is there and there is no alternative, but I would get rid of it in a heartbeat.***<br /><br /> I do not know what world Hannah McCoy lives in <br /><br />*** I know her neighborhood, and have walked it at all hours. She is on the line between Hollyword and Eastern LAPD divisions (thank goodness not Rampart). Criminal abound, but they are far more at risk from citizens than from police.***<br /><br />but if I dial 911 there will be several patrol cars within three minutes. <br /><br />*** When seconds count, the police will be ther ein 3 minutes? In that part of LA, 10 - 30 minutes, if at all... we are obliged to pay the police but they have no specific duty to respond.... US Supreme Court.***<br /><br />I wouldn't hesitate to call the police at the first sign of clear and present danger even though I am thoroughly trained to use a fire arm. <br /><br />*** If you are throroughly trained and armed you wold call the police at a clear and present danger? I think you need to rethink that.***<br /><br />Are police perfect? No. Is there room for reform? You bet. <br /><br />*** Straw man argument.***<br /><br />Lastly, if the Romans needed police to keep their Pax Romana then we might not be too advanced to believe that we can do without law enforcement(http://www.historytoday.com/rw-davies/police-work-roman-times).<br />*** False analogy. Can you tell me what was good about Pax Romana, which at its Zenith crucified the Christ and executed the apostles? Pax Romana was based on Terror Romanae. And what is it about a militarized police force that you find attractive? ***John Wiley Spiershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17912149116679736768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-878781244953948813.post-86202962473943489092016-03-19T23:02:29.292-07:002016-03-19T23:02:29.292-07:00In a utopian society there would be no need for po...In a utopian society there would be no need for police however time and time again utopian experiments have failed miserably. Police are needed to keep law and order and to protect and serve a particular society. For example they are the first-responders when islamic terrorists take over a public place or there is a violent domestic dispute where somebody's life is in danger. Could I really count on my neighborhood vigilante posse to objectively handle these matters? Where I live (a city of 600,000 people) everyone is so self-absorbed that they would run for the hills at the first sign of trouble (or run to the scene to take a selfie). We know that even long ago there was crime as evidenced by "Otzi" the ice man that was murdered over 5200 years ago and discovered in 1991 frozen in a glacier (http://www.radiolab.org/story/ice-cold-case/). I agree with you on many things John however to abolish law enforcement would be disastrous. The movie "Escape from New York" comes to mind. If anything the mere presence of police serves as a deterrent to many would-be criminals and that is something that brick and mortar small businesses are grateful for. I do not know what world Hannah McCoy lives in but if I dial 911 there will be several patrol cars within three minutes. I wouldn't hesitate to call the police at the first sign of clear and present danger even though I am thoroughly trained to use a fire arm. Are police perfect? No. Is there room for reform? You bet. Lastly, if the Romans needed police to keep their Pax Romana then we might not be too advanced to believe that we can do without law enforcement(http://www.historytoday.com/rw-davies/police-work-roman-times).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com