Re: [spiers] Re: China and Currency

Re: [spiers] Re: China and Currency

The phrase has an interesting history, actually coming out of the Truman
administration, just
that the hapless Earl butz was caught on tape saying it, doing for Nixon what
Sec. of the
Interior James Watt did for Reagan, always managing to give the game away.

Anyway, big business and big government go hand in hand, what with the
advantages and
efficiencies imagined in collectivization and harmonization. When it comes to
collectivist,
socialist impulses, the democrats simply do not have the chutzpah of the
republicans.

John
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:41 -0800 (PST), M A Granich wrote
:

> What is the motive behind "get big or get out"? You
> said it was from the Nixon administration. What were
> they or are they attempting to do? Monopolize the ag
> markets?
>
> Anthony
> --- spiersegroups wrote:
>
> > GRP,
> >
> > Let me be clear, I am against either and both items
> > from being exported in the
> > measure they are subsidized or otherwise protected.
> >
> > I have no problem with a farmer in Ghana getting
> > subsidized rice cheap from usa,
> > allowing his fields to go fallow, and turning a
> > profit by selling USA rice to Ghanains,
> > until the USA taxpayers cry "enough" and we stop.
> > Then the same Ghanain farmer
> > resumes selling what he grows. This is non-violent
> > self-defense.
> >
> > But this is not what happens. The US Government
> > policy of "get big or get out"
> > extends overseas as well. The Ghanaians who go to
> > Harvard and receive Harvard
> > MBA's return to Ghana (or whatever country) and
> > enter leading buisiness or
> > government ministries. The set up a system that
> > allows them to buy from and work
> > with the USA Harvard MBA's employed at Archer
> > Daniels Midlands the "supermarket to
> > the world." and in USA government ministries. The
> > Ghanaian farmer cannot get a
> > license to import rice. He is taxed into oblivion
> > to assure he cannot compete with usa
> > rice, which is untaxed. These Harvard MBA's charge
> > a super premium to effect
> > polcies and actions that break the USA small farmer
> > and the Ghanaian small farmer.
> > The USA small farmer gets some welfare. The
> > Ghanaian farmer gets nothing. With
> > kids going hungry, many farmers choose the armed
> > response. (of course you can
> > substitute any number of exported items, countries,
> > and schools, but the general
> > system is essentially the same).
> >
> > So we agree, all subsidize cause direct harm, all
> > restrictions are violent. I am against
> > it.
> >
> > John
> > --- In spiers@yahoogroups.com, grmail@... wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Exports can be good or bad too... do we export
> > things we made or raw
> > > > materials... of the
> > > > things we made, are the consumer goods or are
> > they machinery and
> > > > equipment? Exporting
> > > > shoes is good, excporting a shoe-making machine
> > is bad becuase its value,
> > > > the ability to
> > > > make shoes, is exported. Exporting subsidized
> > goods is very bad indeed.
> > > > Subsidies,
> > > > currency and interest rate manipulation generate
> > the bad kind of exports.
> > > >
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > John,
> > > I kind of disgree with this statement, Its like
> > saying; its bad to sale
> > > John Deere tractor and harvestor to a farmer in
> > Africa, but its ok to sale
> > > ship loads of rice and wheat to that farmer from
> > USA. This defeats the
> > > purpose of famous saying "Don't give begger a
> > ready made food, show him
> > > how to grow food for his long term sustainabilty,
> > so he would stop
> > > begging, stealing and all that he does to survive"
> > >
> > > grp

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