Re: Basque

RE: [spiers] Re: Basque

Luis,

I agree with most of what you said, especially "the reality is that the majority
of the Spaniards want to be that". It was interesting how upset Spaniards
throughout the whole country were when Sevilla recently won the European Cup or
whatever and there were many flags celebrating from all over yet just a few
from Spain. It would be like the Miami Dolphins playing and winning a world
tournament in Germany where Dolphin, Miami and Florida flags were flying and no
USA flags. (I did not see nor questioned the Barca win, so I will not comment.)


But you are saying that Catalonians and Basque do not want independence yet you
make the following statement:

> Little by little the nationalist parties are introducing the idea that they
> should get better teatment than other regions since they could be more
> prosperous, and a way to get that is to become independent. The goverment has
given
> to them many promises that they will get a better Autonomy even if that goes
> against the constitution since only it can be changed by referendum. The
> worst is that as more things a weak goverment gives to them as more things
are
> they asking to and at the end it looks like the population of those
Autonomies
> is the one who is asking for those changes when the reality is that are the
> politiciens who instigate them only for political purposes.

Do you think that Catalunya will be independent? What were elections held for?
Did they and will they continue to pass the referendums?

Are the current negotiations with Basque leaders fake? Is Mr. Zapatero starting
a new round of discussions early next month for nothing? Do you really think
the people from these areas do not want independence even if just for economic
reasons like you are saying?

We are not questioning the constitutionality nor the laws of the land, we are
just observing what is happening and the sentiment of the people. This will in
turn impact the economy and those who trade. There is nothing emotional for
traders, they will benefit no matter who wins or looses as long as they play it
right.

Martin Mendiola
305-445-2525
Martin@Mendiola.US


> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [spiers] Re: Basque
> From: LUIS1467@AOL.COM
> Date: Tue, May 23, 2006 7:27 pm
> To: spiers@yahoogroups.com
>
> Martin
>
> ServiaMontenegro were two different Federal States separated from Yogoslavia
> that decided to stay together to have better opportunities facing the
> European Union and other circumstancies. None of them have the same currency,
> border Authorities, and many other political institutions. At present they
decided
> to submit to the citizens the proposal to terminate with the agreement that
> linked both States and to become two separated Republics. Could be possible
> that in the future the walk together again if they wish to become European
> members.
>
> In Spain we are organized in Autonomies (before regions and its provinces).
> The new administrative organization was developped, discussed, negociated and
> analyzed by a representation of every political party including minorities.
> That representation prepared the new Constitution of 1978 that was ratified by
> the Spaniards and sanctioned by the King ( Chief of State, also accepted by
> referendum). In the Constitution is specified the right of every Autonomy to
> keep their culture, language and many other details. It also contemplates the
> possibilities to change them by referendum.
>
> Together the spaniards have been able to demostrate that as soon as 40 years
> a dictatorship were abolishedwe could manage to be innovative, hard workers
> ( most of the spanierds at the time used to have two works to survive) and
> to use the funds received from the EU in a satisfactory manner to have one of
> the best infrastructures of roads, trains, airports and public services of
> Europe. Now many autonomies of Spain have a higher economical level than the
EU
> average.
>
> We have been very lucky with our democratic moderate politiciens of the last
> 30 years that provided us with a huge improvement on every social and
> economic area: Education, Health, lower unemployment, sports, etc., and our
roll in
> the international affaires also got a higher protagonism in the EU
> Commission, EU Parliament, NATO, South America and important agreements with
the USA.
>
> Unfortunately since the last legislative elections we got a political party
> that it looks that wants to deteriorate many of the things that were made by
> its predecessors including people of its same party and is bringing ideas
that
> we supposed to have forgotten when all spaniards decided to forget all the
> evils of the civil war and to create a new and modern Constitution that could
> bring unity and prosperity to all citizens. Due to political reasons the
> actual Socialist party needs the help of the nationalist minorities parties
to
> have the majority in the Spanish Congress, and therefore those nationalist
> parties mainly of Catalonia, and Basques are requesting to the goverment
party
> many concessions to maintain themselves as the main party in its Autonomies.
> Little by little the nationalist parties are introducing the idea that they
> should get better teatment than other regions since they could be more
> prosperous, and a way to get that is to become independent. The goverment has
given
> to them many promises that they will get a better Autonomy even if that goes
> against the constitution since only it can be changed by referendum. The
> worst is that as more things a weak goverment gives to them as more things
are
> they asking to and at the end it looks like the population of those
Autonomies
> is the one who is asking for those changes when the reality is that are the
> politiciens who instigate them only for political purposes.
>
> Never mind what some people of two cities mentioned in the Basque region say
> about the independence, the reality is that the majority of the Spaniards
> want to be that, spaniards, to be able to speak the language of their region
> plus the spanish, to keep every link with their country Spain, to have a job,
> free social security, free schools and universities, at least 30 days of
> vacations as they have, to live in peace and prosperity as they now have and a
> strong democracy that provide them respect to their opinions.
>
> As said we have a goverment that nobody knows where it wants to go and
> therefore is impossible to see what is our nearer future.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
> Luis Cabo
> Tel/Fax 305667 7630
> Cell 786 4730868
> email: Luis1467@aol.com
> email:luis.cabo001@gmail.com

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