North Korea and China

Re: [spiers] North Korea and China

Lily,

As you know 1/4 of China's land mass is traditional Moslem territory, China
shares a common
border with Afghanistan, and China is home to millions of Moslems. Truly China
has a far more
serious "moslem concern" than the USA. But what country is in open combat with
militant Islam,
what country is going broke and tied down in a lost war? Not China, which is
the basis of my
argument that China is fielding the better team of leaders right now.

Certainly in economic terms China presents itself as a better trading partner
than the USA, all
over the world. It may be troubling to hear it stated bluntly that China is
offering to be a better
military partner, but I think that is the case, and certainly what some
countries, like Iran, want to
hear.

John


On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 13:17:27 -0700 (PDT), Lily Yuan wrote :

>
> I personally feel that the message of "we can protct you (the Middle East)
from
> USA" is debatable. China has its own concerns over its Muslim poplulation. In
> fact, I grew up in a region where there is a large Muslim population that has
> its own so-called fundamenlist Islam group who wants to break away from China.
>
> The history textbooks that I used when I was in school never really quite
> played up the fact that Zhenghe (the greatest seafarer in China) is a muslim.
>
> Sure, China wants oil from the Middle East. But "we (Chinese) can protct you
> (the Middle East) from USA" seems to be reading too much in between
> lines,although it's an appealing hypothesis.
>
> Lily
>
>
>
>
> China wants the> middle> > east to love China. What message is China sending
> to iran? "We can protect you from USA."
> > > (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to restaurants, services,
etc
> > > include directions to the Mosques the chinese maintain in the facilities,
> > and
> > > this is the year of celebration of China's greatest seafarer, a Mongol
> > Moslem
> > > castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).
>
>
> --- Jay Schuyler wrote:
>
> > http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/MNG54LLP4G1.DTL
> >
> >
> > On 10/9/06 8:31 PM, "John Spiers" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anthony,
> > >
> > > N Korea does not make a move that China does not approve of. If N Korea
> > has
> > > the bomb, it is compliments of China, since N Korea has no outside
contacts
> > to
> > > speak of.
> > >
> > > Just because Fox News calls it a crisis does not make it so for you and
me.
> > N
> > > Korea is closely allied with China, and gets the bomb. China wants the
> > middle
> > > east to love China. What message is China sending to iran? "We can
> > protect
> > > you from USA."
> > >
> > > (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to restaurants, services,
etc
> > > include directions to the Mosques the chinese maintain in the facilities,
> > and
> > > this is the year of celebration of China's greatest seafarer, a Mongol
> > Moslem
> > > castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).
> > >
> > > I'll say it again; not only is USA leadership way outclassed by the
> > chinese
> > > players in this competition, our side tends to run the wrong way scoring
> > > points for the Chinese.
> > >
> > > I believe structurally USA can out compete anyone anytime. But we are
> > > dismantling that structure fast, and bricking up elsewhere. Compete means
> > to
> > > 'strive with' in which everyone wins according to their merit... with the
> > > neocons it is not competition but combat that is desired.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't worry about N Korean nukes falling on USA. Those are
> > underpowered,
> > > recklessly aimed things. I'd worry about USA nukes falling on USA. Those
> > are
> > > awesome perfectly targeted things. You know those monsters are computer
> > and
> > > radio controlled. A secret worry is our competitors have broken our codes
> > and
> > > hacked our systems, with the ability to redirect our missiles if launched.
> > We
> > > aim for Beijing but hit LA. As a practical matter the nukes are now being
> > > taken off our Trident submarines and replaced with cruise missiles.
> > >
> > > When the mighty Imperial Russian fleet set out to settle Japan's hash in
> > 1905
> > > the Japanese sent the fleet to the bottom of the Tsushima Straights using
> > > western technology. Big surprise that started Russias decline into chaos.
> > > When the English beat the French at Agincourt the English did so with
> > longbows
> > > they got from the french. It is always thus, the superior forces weapons
> > are
> > > turned back on themselves.
> > >
> > > When the Chinese govt was obliged to pay damages to a western power a
> > century
> > > or so ago, under the "Most Favored Nation" rules, the same had to be paid
> > to
> > > everyone else, too. UK, France, Germany would keep the money, but USA
> > would
> > > take the payment and build hospitals and colleges in China. The Chinese
> > > remember this. It is the way we used to be.
> > >
> > > In 1985 the USA car-bombed a mosque in Beirut killing 80 outright and
> > maiming
> > > 250 innocents in an attempt to assassinate a particular "terrorist." (We
> > > missed). We used such messy means so everyone would blame the Jews, who
> > were
> > > notorious for careless killings, according to Bob Woodward in his book
> > "Veil".
> > > It where we are.
> > >
> > > I think the Amish have the better response to a terror attack, more of an
> > > American response. They may not be exempt from murder, but they are
exempt
> > > from military duty, social security taxes, government schooling, and a
host
> > of
> > > other depradations. No one is obliged to stay. The Amish are a working
> > model
> > > of anarchy in practice.
> > >
> > > John
> > > On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:26:38 -0000, "mgranich" > > > > wrote :
> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > Why isn't China offering a solution to the North Korean crisis. If
> > >> > China is all powerful in Asia, why aren't they aggressively telling
> > >> > North Korea to stop developing nuclear weapons. Certainly it's in the
> > >> > best interests of China to have a peaceful Asia. They would not want
> > >> > to see one of their trading partners, ie South Korea, Japan, US,
> > >> > nuked.... right? It would be a disaster for everyone.
> > >> >
> > >> > Anthony

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