Friday, July 12, 2013

Patents Equal Failure

Wow... here is an astonishing exchange...


  1. @PatentBuddy-
    The fact that we do not provide links to where products can be purchased does NOT make the article stupid. The author does not deserve the condescending commentary suggesting that the article is incomplete or somehow defective.
    You should know that not every patent is commercialized, and not every interesting patent has a corresponding product on the market. You should also know that it is virtually impossible in many cases to find products that are covered by a patent even when they do exist. So why do you demand that we either provide links or apparently don’t write such articles?
    Get a grip.
    -Gene
  2. @Gene at (4): Most, if not all, new products on the market are indeed patented. Where is the evidence for your assertion above that “it is virtually impossible in many cases to find products that are covered by a patent even when they do exist.”
    Patent litigation is increasing. If there are fewer patented products on the market, how can patent litigation be increasing? Why litigate for a product not covered by a patent? – this does not make any sense. There has been an explosion of patented products on the market in recent years, as indicated by the increase in patent litigation. The patent system works.
    See:
    “Patent litigation in the US has increased over 230% in the past two decades.”
    http://info.articleonepartners.com/the-increase-of-patent-litigation/
    Why develop new products without patent coverage? Your above statement needs to be supported by evidence – which I do not think is true, in fact it is very unlikely to be even remotely accurate. Without patents, you get no funding for developing the new product which is critical to its success in bringing it to market.

I am surprised there are such extreme views extant  -

 "Most, if not all, new products on the market are indeed patented. "

Almost no new product is patented (more new things are copyrighted, and maybe you are adding that in).  go into any specialty store (where new things show up) and look for the patents.  Almost nothing.  Also, count the patents and the new products.  Almost nothing new is patented.

I think what Gene was trying to gently share with you is, since 1789, almost none of the some 7 million patented items was ever commercialized, like maybe 80,000 ideas.  Of those 80,000, maybe 50,000 were profitable.  If there is any correlation at all, patent equals failure.  Ask any patent attorney.  Stephan Kinsella and William Patry and Lessig, etc.    Read Boldrin and Levine on this.

Patent litigation has exploded because congress changed the law, and now there is more chaos when before there was just pointlessness.  Now there are also the patent trolls, and the anti-patent trolls.

Almost no new products are developed or ever covered by patent.  it is simply not necessarily to success, and in fact a likely hindrance.  You say ...

"Without patents, you get no funding for developing the new product which is critical to its success in bringing it to market."

That game is extremely narrow and almost never works.  The VC market adds up to almost nothing as far as funding business start up.  If you think the entire world revolves around the patent and the VC, then I can see how you will get exercised if someone tries to talk some sense to you.

You demand others provide proof, I've cited patent attorneys who will school you, just google them.  it is all there.  if you believe the model is facebook and Segway, then tell us how that model of patent and VC has worked out for you.

If there is any correlation at all in business, it is IPR = failure.

Feel free to forward this by email to three of your friends.


5 comments:

Anonymous said...

John,

Patent lawyers can make a good living off of this parasitic, rent-seeking system - it's in their best interest to perpetuate the IP system. There are indeed lawyers that know the truth and understand the problems with the IP system, but carry on, since it exists and must be dealt with (this, I believe, is called "defensive" patent law, they rightly advise their clients that any entanglements with this system (like infringement actions) is best avoided, but just advise their clients of their freedom to operate, and also to acquire patents so that they can practice their own invention and sell their own products - without going after other's business's. There are also IP lawyers that just don't care, and want to make a living, instigating infringement actions, and trying to build their practice with misguided entrepreneurs and especially large companies with big legal budgets.

On the other hand, I believe there are many, many IP lawyers that are misguided and actually believe in the use of patents.

Anonymous said...

Any entrepreneur with half a brain involved in new product development would quickly and clearly see the problems with patents. For one, the cost to get a patent can be tens of thousands of dollars easily, even for a simple non-high tech product. Also, it can take easily 1-3 years to get an initial response from the Patent Office after filing the patent application. It can literally take years to get a patent issued, something like 4-5 years! keep in mind that during this time the inventor is most likely not getting any feedback whatsoever from any potential customers, which is critical to the products success. And forget about patent infringement, even if you win a court case, you still lose essentially since it is so expensive and time consuming (but your own IP lawyers will make out well, even if you lose). Techdirt.com has tons of articles on the problems with patents and copyrights as well.

Anonymous said...

http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2011/01/dont-file-a-patent-a-book-by-john-smith.html

A while ago on patentlyo.com there was a blogpost on one inventor's experience, John smith, with the patent system. The granting of patents is far from optimized apparently - I thought I was reading an article from The Onion satirical newspaper.

Anonymous said...

Coming to the realization that patents are not needed has to be one of the most liberating epiphanies of my education and experience as a competent entrepreneur (...it's still ongoing though!). John, if it wasn't for your teaching and book, I'm sure I still would have been one of those many, many misguided entrepreneurs following the IPR paradigm down that bottomless and dark rabbit hole whole-heartedly believing that: "if only I had the right IPR, my business would flourish." Confirmation bias for IPR is alive and well, and deeply ingrained in our society unfortunately.

Anonymous said...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/14/business/has-patent-will-sue-an-alert-to-corporate-america.html?pagewanted=all