RE: [spiers] Business In China
It is almost certainly too expensive to drop ship from China for individual
retail orders even if you choose low shipping rates. For what we import we
use DHL,, UPS etc. The problem is the first kilogram is quite expensive.
Even with careful group shipping we add as much as 33% to our costs.
you are going to have to carry inventory.
-----Original Message-----
From: Chad Yav [mailto:cyav@attbi.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 9:40 PM
To: spiers@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [spiers] Business In China
Hi All,
Just curious anyone doing business in China? Would like to hear
story and how difficult it set to set business in China. I have a
friend who has a tea farm in China but would like to distribute and
sale in US. What would be involve and how difficult to ship product
directortly to customer if product was purchase online.
Thanks,
Chad
Thursday, July 8, 2004
Business In China
Business In China
Re: [spiers] Business In China
In a message dated 7/8/04 2:26:10 PM, cyav@attbi.com writes:
<
story and how difficult it set to set business in China.
***I got my start in china in the 70's, and have biz partners in Hong Kong...
it may be helpful to not think in terms of "trade with China" and think in
terms of "my partner is in China." Relationship is everything, and really,
"China" has nothing to do with why you are trading. It it at best a nice
backdrop
to the task at hand. Not to say that is not plenty.
Everything regarding "China" is your partners problem, since you will buy
goods FOB at least; everything USA is your problem for the same reason. This is
how it should be. Whatever problems there may be are divided along those
lines for all practical purposes... if your partner is good, you won't be aware
of
too many problems.***
I have a
friend who has a tea farm in China but would like to distribute and
sale in US.
***Is tea your thing?***
What would be involve and how difficult to ship product
directortly to customer if product was purchase online.>>
***What would be involved would be your job to learn... and shipping directly
to customer would be no problem at all, assuming there are enough customers,
if any, who would like to do business this way. What do the customers you
have spoken to say?***
John
Wednesday, July 7, 2004
Business In China
Hi All,
Just curious anyone doing business in China? Would like to hear
story and how difficult it set to set business in China. I have a
friend who has a tea farm in China but would like to distribute and
sale in US. What would be involve and how difficult to ship product
directortly to customer if product was purchase online.
Thanks,
Chad
Tuesday, July 6, 2004
New product easily copied
Re: [spiers] New product easily copied
Hi Fellow Marketeers:
Hate to break the bad news but China's Manufactures can duplicate any product
and have it to market in less than two weeks without regard to property rights
or pricing structures. I recently had a long conversation with a leading
designer of computer products based in Taiwan & China about the problem and he
stated that his organization plans on profit margins disappearing in about six
months on average because of the rapid duplication. Still plenty of money to be
made on unique products, just don't produce much more than you have orders for.
RoseFab
----- Original Message -----
From: wileyccc@aol.com
To: spiers@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [spiers] New product easily copied
In a message dated 7/6/04 6:23:59 PM, Splash10@aol.com writes:
<
company
could get a hold of, and then change its size, for another use.
***Employs, or is.... if it IS an already widely used device, then you'll
have to compete on price..hard to do...***
It is really quite clever and I'm surprised no one has thought of it yet, but
it really is more readily "copyable" than most things we've come up with. I
know everyone always says they think their product will be copied, but with
this particular one, (since it's so easy to do,) it's a certainty the moment
we
have the item in the stores.
***I am not sure why you would think it would be copied so quickly, assuming
it is something you have designed..and if so, to whom will they sell it? Your
customers, not likely... they get it from you. WalMart? What do you care,
WalMart is not your customer anyway.***
We have done our market research, and asked for this item at retailers, and
stores have said it was a good idea, and they would carry our product.
***Upscale stores, right?***
One way to go, is to penetrate the market fast enough so you get the first
gains on it, and then realize that a competitor will see it, and make
something
similar. This would require making umpteen thousands of these widgets.
***There is no profit in this...if it is to be stolen anyhow, why invest in
overhead and distribution that you cannot recover with repeat business?***
Another way, would be to conceive of the design, and license it to a
manufacturer who has the market share and positioning to bring this forward
in mass.
***If it is a readily available item, why do they need you?***
My advice would be to go back to the stores, see if they would place orders
aginst the samples... if so, then refuse any orders, tell them you want the
names of leading reps in your area. Then go to those reps and get them to get
those orders from stores you have identified and more. if you can get enough
orders in a workabl amount of time to cover trhe suppliers minimum,
profitably,
start with that... and get repeat biz and allied items to build your own biz.
I sincerely doubt anyone will steal your idea as you believe. But even if
anyone does, you'll see you have so many options having begun the process that
you won't regret losing this item.***
John
I'm wondering if you can discuss the best ways to approach this?>>
New product easily copied
Re: [spiers] New product easily copied
In a message dated 7/6/04 6:23:59 PM, Splash10@aol.com writes:
<
company
could get a hold of, and then change its size, for another use.
***Employs, or is.... if it IS an already widely used device, then you'll
have to compete on price..hard to do...***
It is really quite clever and I'm surprised no one has thought of it yet, but
it really is more readily "copyable" than most things we've come up with. I
know everyone always says they think their product will be copied, but with
this particular one, (since it's so easy to do,) it's a certainty the moment
we
have the item in the stores.
***I am not sure why you would think it would be copied so quickly, assuming
it is something you have designed..and if so, to whom will they sell it? Your
customers, not likely... they get it from you. WalMart? What do you care,
WalMart is not your customer anyway.***
We have done our market research, and asked for this item at retailers, and
stores have said it was a good idea, and they would carry our product.
***Upscale stores, right?***
One way to go, is to penetrate the market fast enough so you get the first
gains on it, and then realize that a competitor will see it, and make
something
similar. This would require making umpteen thousands of these widgets.
***There is no profit in this...if it is to be stolen anyhow, why invest in
overhead and distribution that you cannot recover with repeat business?***
Another way, would be to conceive of the design, and license it to a
manufacturer who has the market share and positioning to bring this forward
in mass.
***If it is a readily available item, why do they need you?***
My advice would be to go back to the stores, see if they would place orders
aginst the samples... if so, then refuse any orders, tell them you want the
names of leading reps in your area. Then go to those reps and get them to get
those orders from stores you have identified and more. if you can get enough
orders in a workabl amount of time to cover trhe suppliers minimum, profitably,
start with that... and get repeat biz and allied items to build your own biz.
I sincerely doubt anyone will steal your idea as you believe. But even if
anyone does, you'll see you have so many options having begun the process that
you won't regret losing this item.***
John
I'm wondering if you can discuss the best ways to approach this?>>
business license?
Re: [spiers] business license?
In a message dated 7/6/04 11:28:16 AM, david.boleyn@verizon.net writes:
<<> should we ask for and track their wholesalers1 license numbers?
Dave>>
Washington State requires it, so it is a matter of compliance with the rules,
something your CPA will advise you one.
I highly recommended getting one of those small biz CPA's that charge
somewhere between $50 - $100 an hour to do your books... mostly they fill out
your
tax returns... and use a bookkeeping program like MYOB to keep your actually
books.
John
business license?
Re: [spiers] business license?
Yes, you will need a business license unless the county and/or state where
your business is located does not require one (which is highly unlikely).
You may be thinking, "Well, I work out of my home and I use my home phone
(which is my only phone) and I don't have a conventional business office.
So, do I still need a business license?" Yes, you do.
It's the business activity that counts, and it is typically the amount of
gross business income on which the business license fee, which is a tax, is
based. The percentage, if not the ultimate amount, is usually quite small.
In order for you to find out what's necessary in your county or state, call
the Treasurer's office of the county you are in. They will be able to tell
you what you need and where to get it. In fact, they will probably mail the
business license application to you.
The preceding is based on my experience in Fairfax County, Virginia.
John, or someone else will need to answer your question on
> should we ask for and track their wholesalers¹ license numbers?
Dave
on 7/6/04 1:25 AM, Gary Paulazzo at g.paulazzo@comcast.net wrote:
> Hello-
>
> Do we need a business license? Also, when we sell to the wholesalers,
> should we ask for and track their wholesalers¹ license numbers?
>
> Thank you.
>
business license?
Re: [spiers] business license?
In a message dated 7/6/04 7:33:54 AM, g.paulazzo@comcast.net writes:
<
should we ask for and track their wholesalers1 license numbers?>>
A business license is really a registration with the tax collectors, so yes,
you need any "biz license" required for your biz location, but only when you
have a biz. That is to say, you need a biz license when you have a business,
when people are sendiing you checks for things you have sold to them. If
people are not sending you checks yet, then worry first about getting customers,
then any city hall can tell you what "licenses" you need.
John Spiers
New product easily copied
Hello John,
We have a concept for an excellent product, that could be very easily
mimicked. Our concept employs an already widely used device, which any other
company
could get a hold of, and then change its size, for another use.
It is really quite clever and I'm surprised no one has thought of it yet, but
it really is more readily "copyable" than most things we've come up with. I
know everyone always says they think their product will be copied, but with
this particular one, (since it's so easy to do,) it's a certainty the moment we
have the item in the stores.
We have done our market research, and asked for this item at retailers, and
stores have said it was a good idea, and they would carry our product.
One way to go, is to penetrate the market fast enough so you get the first
gains on it, and then realize that a competitor will see it, and make something
similar. This would require making umpteen thousands of these widgets.
Another way, would be to conceive of the design, and license it to a
manufacturer who has the market share and positioning to bring this forward in
mass.
I'm wondering if you can discuss the best ways to approach this?
I look forward to hearing your thoughts...
Sincerely yours,
Lynn
Monday, July 5, 2004
business license?
Hello-
Do we need a business license? Also, when we sell to the wholesalers,
should we ask for and track their wholesalers¹ license numbers?
Thank you.