North Korea and China

Re: [spiers] North Korea and China

This article seems to refute John's assertion the "N
Korea does not make a move that China does not approve
of." Unless China wants the world to think it has no
control over North Korea.

If China has so much control, why did the Chinese let
2 million North Koreans starve during the famine of
1997?

In any case, our US Diplomatic Corps has hit rock
bottom. I don't know how it can get any worse. I've
heard US diplomatic policy referred to as "Paris
Hilton Diplomacy"... Don't talk to anyone who
disagrees with you. AND, I think it will take years
to recover. Speaking of diplomatic crises,... I think
every time the president of Iran opens his mouth, he
makes Bush look like an idiot. During the 60 Minutes
interview, Ahmadinejad came off as intelligent,
thoughtful and well spoken... a showman for sure. If
I were Bush, I would be worried.

Anthony

--- Jay Schuyler wrote:

>
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/MNG54LLP4G1.DTL
>
>
> On 10/9/06 8:31 PM, "John Spiers"
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > N Korea does not make a move that China does not
> approve of. If N Korea has
> > the bomb, it is compliments of China, since N
> Korea has no outside contacts to
> > speak of.
> >
> > Just because Fox News calls it a crisis does not
> make it so for you and me. N
> > Korea is closely allied with China, and gets the
> bomb. China wants the middle
> > east to love China. What message is China sending
> to iran? "We can protect
> > you from USA."
> >
> > (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to
> restaurants, services, etc
> > include directions to the Mosques the chinese
> maintain in the facilities, and
> > this is the year of celebration of China's
> greatest seafarer, a Mongol Moslem
> > castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).
> >
> > I'll say it again; not only is USA leadership way
> outclassed by the chinese
> > players in this competition, our side tends to run
> the wrong way scoring
> > points for the Chinese.
> >
> > I believe structurally USA can out compete anyone
> anytime. But we are
> > dismantling that structure fast, and bricking up
> elsewhere. Compete means to
> > 'strive with' in which everyone wins according to
> their merit... with the
> > neocons it is not competition but combat that is
> desired.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about N Korean nukes falling on
> USA. Those are underpowered,
> > recklessly aimed things. I'd worry about USA
> nukes falling on USA. Those are
> > awesome perfectly targeted things. You know
> those monsters are computer and
> > radio controlled. A secret worry is our
> competitors have broken our codes and
> > hacked our systems, with the ability to redirect
> our missiles if launched. We
> > aim for Beijing but hit LA. As a practical matter
> the nukes are now being
> > taken off our Trident submarines and replaced with
> cruise missiles.
> >
> > When the mighty Imperial Russian fleet set out to
> settle Japan's hash in 1905
> > the Japanese sent the fleet to the bottom of the
> Tsushima Straights using
> > western technology. Big surprise that started
> Russias decline into chaos.
> > When the English beat the French at Agincourt the
> English did so with longbows
> > they got from the french. It is always thus, the
> superior forces weapons are
> > turned back on themselves.
> >
> > When the Chinese govt was obliged to pay damages
> to a western power a century
> > or so ago, under the "Most Favored Nation" rules,
> the same had to be paid to
> > everyone else, too. UK, France, Germany would
> keep the money, but USA would
> > take the payment and build hospitals and colleges
> in China. The Chinese
> > remember this. It is the way we used to be.
> >
> > In 1985 the USA car-bombed a mosque in Beirut
> killing 80 outright and maiming
> > 250 innocents in an attempt to assassinate a
> particular "terrorist." (We
> > missed). We used such messy means so everyone
> would blame the Jews, who were
> > notorious for careless killings, according to Bob
> Woodward in his book "Veil".
> > It where we are.
> >
> > I think the Amish have the better response to a
> terror attack, more of an
> > American response. They may not be exempt from
> murder, but they are exempt
> > from military duty, social security taxes,
> government schooling, and a host of
> > other depradations. No one is obliged to stay.
> The Amish are a working model
> > of anarchy in practice.
> >
> > John
> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:26:38 -0000, "mgranich"
> > > > wrote :
> >
> >> >
> >> > Why isn't China offering a solution to the
> North Korean crisis. If
> >> > China is all powerful in Asia, why aren't they
> aggressively telling
> >> > North Korea to stop developing nuclear weapons.
> Certainly it's in the
> >> > best interests of China to have a peaceful
> Asia. They would not want
> >> > to see one of their trading partners, ie South
> Korea, Japan, US,
> >> > nuked.... right? It would be a disaster for
> everyone.
> >> >
> >> > Anthony

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