North Korea and China

Re: [spiers] North Korea and China

I personally feel that the message of "we can protct you (the Middle East) from
USA" is debatable. China has its own concerns over its Muslim poplulation. In
fact, I grew up in a region where there is a large Muslim population that has
its own so-called fundamenlist Islam group who wants to break away from China.

The history textbooks that I used when I was in school never really quite
played up the fact that Zhenghe (the greatest seafarer in China) is a muslim.

Sure, China wants oil from the Middle East. But "we (Chinese) can protct you
(the Middle East) from USA" seems to be reading too much in between
lines,although it's an appealing hypothesis.

Lily




China wants the> middle> > east to love China. What message is China sending
to iran? "We can protect you from USA."
> > (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to restaurants, services, etc
> > include directions to the Mosques the chinese maintain in the facilities,
> and
> > this is the year of celebration of China's greatest seafarer, a Mongol
> Moslem
> > castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).


--- Jay Schuyler wrote:

> http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/MNG54LLP4G1.DTL
>
>
> On 10/9/06 8:31 PM, "John Spiers" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Anthony,
> >
> > N Korea does not make a move that China does not approve of. If N Korea
> has
> > the bomb, it is compliments of China, since N Korea has no outside contacts
> to
> > speak of.
> >
> > Just because Fox News calls it a crisis does not make it so for you and me.
> N
> > Korea is closely allied with China, and gets the bomb. China wants the
> middle
> > east to love China. What message is China sending to iran? "We can
> protect
> > you from USA."
> >
> > (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to restaurants, services, etc
> > include directions to the Mosques the chinese maintain in the facilities,
> and
> > this is the year of celebration of China's greatest seafarer, a Mongol
> Moslem
> > castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).
> >
> > I'll say it again; not only is USA leadership way outclassed by the
> chinese
> > players in this competition, our side tends to run the wrong way scoring
> > points for the Chinese.
> >
> > I believe structurally USA can out compete anyone anytime. But we are
> > dismantling that structure fast, and bricking up elsewhere. Compete means
> to
> > 'strive with' in which everyone wins according to their merit... with the
> > neocons it is not competition but combat that is desired.
> >
> > I wouldn't worry about N Korean nukes falling on USA. Those are
> underpowered,
> > recklessly aimed things. I'd worry about USA nukes falling on USA. Those
> are
> > awesome perfectly targeted things. You know those monsters are computer
> and
> > radio controlled. A secret worry is our competitors have broken our codes
> and
> > hacked our systems, with the ability to redirect our missiles if launched.
> We
> > aim for Beijing but hit LA. As a practical matter the nukes are now being
> > taken off our Trident submarines and replaced with cruise missiles.
> >
> > When the mighty Imperial Russian fleet set out to settle Japan's hash in
> 1905
> > the Japanese sent the fleet to the bottom of the Tsushima Straights using
> > western technology. Big surprise that started Russias decline into chaos.
> > When the English beat the French at Agincourt the English did so with
> longbows
> > they got from the french. It is always thus, the superior forces weapons
> are
> > turned back on themselves.
> >
> > When the Chinese govt was obliged to pay damages to a western power a
> century
> > or so ago, under the "Most Favored Nation" rules, the same had to be paid
> to
> > everyone else, too. UK, France, Germany would keep the money, but USA
> would
> > take the payment and build hospitals and colleges in China. The Chinese
> > remember this. It is the way we used to be.
> >
> > In 1985 the USA car-bombed a mosque in Beirut killing 80 outright and
> maiming
> > 250 innocents in an attempt to assassinate a particular "terrorist." (We
> > missed). We used such messy means so everyone would blame the Jews, who
> were
> > notorious for careless killings, according to Bob Woodward in his book
> "Veil".
> > It where we are.
> >
> > I think the Amish have the better response to a terror attack, more of an
> > American response. They may not be exempt from murder, but they are exempt
> > from military duty, social security taxes, government schooling, and a host
> of
> > other depradations. No one is obliged to stay. The Amish are a working
> model
> > of anarchy in practice.
> >
> > John
> > On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:26:38 -0000, "mgranich" > > > wrote :
> >
> >> >
> >> > Why isn't China offering a solution to the North Korean crisis. If
> >> > China is all powerful in Asia, why aren't they aggressively telling
> >> > North Korea to stop developing nuclear weapons. Certainly it's in the
> >> > best interests of China to have a peaceful Asia. They would not want
> >> > to see one of their trading partners, ie South Korea, Japan, US,
> >> > nuked.... right? It would be a disaster for everyone.
> >> >
> >> > Anthony

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