North Korea and China

Re: [spiers] North Korea and China

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On 10/9/06 8:31 PM, "John Spiers" wrote:

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> Anthony,
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> N Korea does not make a move that China does not approve of. If N Korea has
> the bomb, it is compliments of China, since N Korea has no outside contacts to
> speak of.
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> Just because Fox News calls it a crisis does not make it so for you and me. N
> Korea is closely allied with China, and gets the bomb. China wants the middle
> east to love China. What message is China sending to iran? "We can protect
> you from USA."
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> (At the Canton trade fair the direction signs to restaurants, services, etc
> include directions to the Mosques the chinese maintain in the facilities, and
> this is the year of celebration of China's greatest seafarer, a Mongol Moslem
> castrata, with the Moslem part emphasised).
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> I'll say it again; not only is USA leadership way outclassed by the chinese
> players in this competition, our side tends to run the wrong way scoring
> points for the Chinese.
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> I believe structurally USA can out compete anyone anytime. But we are
> dismantling that structure fast, and bricking up elsewhere. Compete means to
> 'strive with' in which everyone wins according to their merit... with the
> neocons it is not competition but combat that is desired.
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> I wouldn't worry about N Korean nukes falling on USA. Those are underpowered,
> recklessly aimed things. I'd worry about USA nukes falling on USA. Those are
> awesome perfectly targeted things. You know those monsters are computer and
> radio controlled. A secret worry is our competitors have broken our codes and
> hacked our systems, with the ability to redirect our missiles if launched. We
> aim for Beijing but hit LA. As a practical matter the nukes are now being
> taken off our Trident submarines and replaced with cruise missiles.
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> When the mighty Imperial Russian fleet set out to settle Japan's hash in 1905
> the Japanese sent the fleet to the bottom of the Tsushima Straights using
> western technology. Big surprise that started Russias decline into chaos.
> When the English beat the French at Agincourt the English did so with longbows
> they got from the french. It is always thus, the superior forces weapons are
> turned back on themselves.
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> When the Chinese govt was obliged to pay damages to a western power a century
> or so ago, under the "Most Favored Nation" rules, the same had to be paid to
> everyone else, too. UK, France, Germany would keep the money, but USA would
> take the payment and build hospitals and colleges in China. The Chinese
> remember this. It is the way we used to be.
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> In 1985 the USA car-bombed a mosque in Beirut killing 80 outright and maiming
> 250 innocents in an attempt to assassinate a particular "terrorist." (We
> missed). We used such messy means so everyone would blame the Jews, who were
> notorious for careless killings, according to Bob Woodward in his book "Veil".
> It where we are.
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> I think the Amish have the better response to a terror attack, more of an
> American response. They may not be exempt from murder, but they are exempt
> from military duty, social security taxes, government schooling, and a host of
> other depradations. No one is obliged to stay. The Amish are a working model
> of anarchy in practice.
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> John
> On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 18:26:38 -0000, "mgranich" > > wrote :
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>> > Why isn't China offering a solution to the North Korean crisis. If
>> > China is all powerful in Asia, why aren't they aggressively telling
>> > North Korea to stop developing nuclear weapons. Certainly it's in the
>> > best interests of China to have a peaceful Asia. They would not want
>> > to see one of their trading partners, ie South Korea, Japan, US,
>> > nuked.... right? It would be a disaster for everyone.
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>> > Anthony

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